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Flick ([personal profile] flick) wrote2012-05-24 05:29 pm

Driving adventures....

This afternoon (having gone to see GB first thing, before it got too bloody hot to ride), I was off up to Loughton.

I was very brave, and drove through the evil Rotherhithe Tunnel. As I got back into the daylight, only hyperventilating slightly, a police man waved me into a side street and asked me to park up. Eep: what did I dooooo?

Turns out they were checking insurance, in a moderately clever way: they run the plates as you go into the tunnel, and then by the time you finally emerge they've got a list of which ones have no insurance. Which we were apparently on (I suspect it may be personalised-plate-related).

"Do you have insurance, madam?" Er, well, I bloody thought we did. I rooted around in the glove box, didn't find anything that looked right, called Mike to check where the paperwork was, and then apologised for not having it.

"That's ok, madam, we can run it through out system."

(At this point, I realised that Mike was probably sitting in his office muttering "Oh, god, what has she done to need the insurance documents?" and sent him a reassuring text.

"Are you in a hurry, madam? Sorry, it's taking a long time. You're third in the queue." Well, I wasn't in a hurry but I will be now... why, were you going to let me just go if I said I was? No, didn't think so. Sigh.

Eventually, someone on the other end of a walkie-talkie read off the details, and I was on my way again.

Got up to Loughton, only five minutes late for my appointment and - glory be! - there was actually a non-disabled space in the convenient car park. Odd, it has red paint lines rather than the white ones over there. Ah well: in a rush, buy ticket, dash over the road, amuse everyone in Tony and Guy by saying "Sorry I'm late, I got stopped by the police!"

An hour and a half or so later, I headed back to the car and found... a penalty notice on it. That's odd. Double checked that, yes, I had paid for two hours. Opened up the ticket. Apparently, the red lines mean that they're reserved spaces, not for pay-and-display use. Which is not entirely obvious. Drove over to one of the (naturally) huge numbers of now-free spots and went back to look at the one I was in. And, yes, there are a couple of smudged and chipped patches of yellow paint, which I hadn't noticed in the sun. If I squinted, I could just about make out that the first letter was an "R" and that the word was the right sort of length to say "Reserved". Have taken photos. Will be appealing, I think.

Crappy journey home, most of it sitting in traffic. Still, on the plus side, I didn't get stopped by the police again....
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[personal profile] owlfish 2012-05-24 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
If you're willing to walk an extra five minutes, there's plenty of free, unrestricted parking. Not that you would have had any incentive too, being already five minutes late!

May there be no more traffic-related police in your near future.
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Where? Before now, I've parked in the car parks at High Beech Road, and I've also been unable to find any spaces there and driven forlornly down your road looking at the solid mass of parked cars and not finding any spaces....

I suppose I could park in Sainsbury's or Morrisons, and then pop in and buy something on the way out and get the money back. Maybe I should try that in future!
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
(I suspect that part of the problem is that I usually arrive in a period of time that can reasonably be called 'lunch', so it's busier than it would be earlier or later in the day.)
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[identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Double-check it is a penalty notice from a government department (which is enforceable) and not a penalty charge from a private company (which is not, and will be chucked out if they take you to court).
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[identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 05:42 pm (UTC)(link)
(although for this reason a private company wouldn't take you to court)
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[personal profile] owlfish 2012-05-24 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
We've never not been able to park on Shaftesbury Ave whenever there are no spaces on our road. (i.e. right at the end of my road onto the dead-end at the forest's edge.) Of course, we don't usually try parking at lunchtime on weekdays.

The Sainsbury's/Morrison's idea is a good one too.

I was assuming you were using the parking lot off of Clifton Road (i.e. behind Centric Parade/first right off of our road) since that's closest of all to T&G - there's a cut through. But never having tried to park there, I've no idea how it compares in demand to the High Beech one.
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[personal profile] owlfish 2012-05-24 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Where "right" is defined by coming from the High Road.
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
It's some people called Euro Car Parks, not the council. Does that mean that I can entirely ignore it, and don't even need to write a letter? It has dire warnings of collections agencies, and I'd hate for Mike to get hassled over it.
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Aha: thanks for the Shaftesbury Ave tip. I've never tried down there, just gone the other way down Smart's.

I was in the Clifton Road one, yes - my therapist uses it, and told me there were always spaces, so I thought I'd try. But then, she arrives at 9:30, which I hadn't taken into account!

[identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 08:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know if they've changed the law yet (I heard they were going to, to fix things like this) but certainly when my brother got one of those he ignored it and all was fine. The only way they can get money from you would be by taking you to court, and last time I checked the number of people who had been taken to court by private parking companies was precisely zero, because they know they wouldn't have a hope in hell of winning. And even if they did win, they wouldn't get awarded anywhere near the amount they'd set as the fine in the first place.

They can't send a collection agency after you without first getting a court judgment in their favour.

They will try and hassle you a lot, though. They'll send lots of letters, maybe some phone calls. You'll have to ignore them, not respond to them in the slightest, not even to say you'll not be responding.

[identity profile] evil-mogwai.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
As said already its an "invoice" and not a totally enforceable fine like a council one.

They'd have to apply and get a CCJ against you to make you pay it. With the photos you've got its unlikely they would as even the cut and dry cases rarely ever get through and get awarded in their favour!

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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:40 pm (UTC)(link)
That's the trouble, though: if they go of the DVLA info, they'll be hassling Mike. And I don't want him to be hassled!

Does writing a single letter to say "nah, bugger off, here are the photos" count as engaging with them?
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't win in court, but I don't want Mike to get hassle: the car's in his name, after all!

Really not sure what to do, now. I was planning on just writing to them, but now.... I dunno.

[identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, it does. It's like spam in that regard - if you reply to them they know you're reading so they harass you more.
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[identity profile] flickgc.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ewww. Now I know not what to do. Except possibly talk to Mike about it in the morning. I know what my inclination is, but....

Ta for info, though.

[identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Really not sure what to do, now.

Bin the 'fine'. If they write to you, bin the letters. If they try and phone, hang up. Eventually they'll get bored. They can't do anything without a CCJ in their favour, and they're not going to bother taking you to court.

[identity profile] ajr.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
If you Google 'Euro Car Parks' you'll find a lot of people in the same boat as you getting the same advice. Or just have a look at this forum: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=46975
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[identity profile] dougs.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd have replied sooner only I was at the theatre. They're thugs with no legal mandate and can FRO. Keep the letters, don't bin them -- if they become a problem you can instruct lawyers to warn them that you'll sue them for harrasment and perhaps then they'll stop. But pay nothing.

[identity profile] nils.livejournal.com 2012-05-24 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
If you were to contact them, this (http://timkevan.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/challenge-to-private-parking-charge.html) might be a way to do so...

[identity profile] erikvolson.livejournal.com 2012-05-25 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Talk to Mike, but this appears to be a case of Nonsense that you can ignore. However, since they might try to harass Mike, it really becomes his call.

It's clear that if this went to any sort of court, you'd win. But the tactic they'll use is to try to convince you that Her Maj and Everyone Who Us Sworn To Her is out to destroy your life.

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