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Plumbing!

rinioth
♥Aug. 21st, 2017 // 02:16 pm
While making breakfast I was distracted by a dripping noise from the ceiling. Investigation revealed a damp bulging patch which I easily put my finger through directly under where the shower drain is in the bathroom above.

I've made the hole bigger, since the damaged part will need to come down anyway when it's repaired and sure enough there is a shower trap visible with a lot of lime-scale over the entire body. So it looks like the seal between the shower tray and the drain/trap has failed.

A rather fuzzy photo looking straight up:

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Interesting Links for 21-08-2017

andrewducker
♥Aug. 21st, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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Dorothy J. Heydt's The Witch of Syracuse

james_davis_nicoll
♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 11:12 pm
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Dorothy J. Heydt's The Witch of Syracuse is now available for download.
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 14: Last Full Day in Iceland

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♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 09:47 pm
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This was our final full day here in Iceland, and essentially the final day of the "vacation" part of the trip, as the remaining days are travel to get home, with two stopovers scheduled. Knowing our limitations, we scheduled nothing today, set no alarm, and stuck to Reykjavik.

Althing Gardens )

We were unable to find in any of the stores any rain jackets that were (a) our size, (b) our desired color and style, and (c) not Made in China. In fact, we only managed to get (a) and (b) to match once. There were way too many things with DESIGNED IN ICELAND in big type and "made in China" either hidden in small type or left off entirely, where you had to ask the staff, who would admit that despite the way the stores' signage suggested, the goods weren't really made in Iceland, or even within the EU economic zone. Annoying. It looks like we may have to go back up to Salem, Oregon, and have some coats custom-made from a place we know there.

We did, however, find a pair of work gloves that was not Chinese made and will come in handy moving wood when we get home. Nearly all heavy work gloves I can find in Fernley and environs are all Chinese.

More about Parliament Square )

We walked back to the hotel and had a "picnic lunch" in the room, eating up the last of our supplies purchased over the past few days. I was also a Very Bad Diabetic. Just across the street outside our hotel window there has been a Waffle Wagon every day. Today I broke down, went over there, and bought a chocolate-and-cream covered waffle, which I enjoyed over a coffee back in the room. (The hotel won't let you eat outside food in their common room.) It was excellent. I'm rather glad I won't get another chance to have another one now. Mind you, with over 33,000 steps walked in the past two days, I'd like to think I've earned a few indulgences.

Last Dinner )

After that big dinner, and especially the desserts, we took one last long walk around The Pond, and then up the hill to our hotel. We took a different route this time, which took us by the British Embassy (housed in the same building as the German Embassy), then past a cafe located in what a streetside plaque said was once called "Red Square" because the coffee-house was a center of Communist organization in past days. For what I expect is the final time, we climbed up to the top of the hill and returned to the hotel.

It has been an interesting four days here. We've booked our reservation for the prepaid return bus transfer to Keflavik Airport tomorrow at Noon, which will get us there a little earlier than strictly necessary, but we want extra time. Our return ticket is KEF-MSP on IcelandAir Saga class, then MSP-SEA on Alaska Airlines first class, all using Alaska Airlines miles. The first leg leaves KEF at 16:45. I checked with IcelandAir, and there's a direct KEF-SEA flight at 17:45 that has plenty of room in Saga class. However, over the phone, IcelandAir won't change the ticket because it was issued by Alaska. The Alaska agent with whom I spoke said they can't change the ticket either, despite the availability, due to the limitations on how many IcelandAir seats Alaska can sell. They both said that my only hope is to show up at the airport and see if the folks at check-in can see some sense and book us directly to Seattle, saving a great deal of hassle and transfer at MSP. Fingers crossed that is works.

There's a pretty good chance that I won't be online here again until we get to Seattle on Monday night, after a very long day in the air no matter how you slice it. Knowing that we could only get Saga class one direction, we deliberately scheduled it for the return trip. At this point in the trip, I really hope I am able to get some sleep on this portion of the trip, albeit not so much sleep that I'm ruined for returning to Pacific Time.

So long, Iceland. It's been fun. I don't know if I'll ever get to come here again, but I'm glad we came. I think I can see now why certain persons were trying to goad some of us into bidding to hold a NASFiC here.
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40 Years Ago Today

james_davis_nicoll
♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 04:56 pm
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The United States of America, then an independent nation, launched Voyager 2

I wonder if any of the people involved realized it would still be going two generations later?

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The Keeper of the Isis Light (Isis, book 1) by Monica Hughes

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♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 11:35 am
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The Keeper of the Isis Light (Isis, book 1) by Monica Hughes
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Generation Ships & morality

juliet
♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 02:43 pm
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Mirrored from Juliet Kemp.

I went to a panel at Worldcon on the morality of generation ships, and have been thinking about it since.

(I’m also going to take this opportunity to recommend this Jo Walton story set on a generation ship, which is great and has something to say about choice and decisions.)

So, the question under discussion at the panel was: is it morally acceptable to board a generation ship (i.e. a ship that people will live on for multiple generations on their way to another planet), given that you are not just making a decision for yourself, but for your future children, grandchildren, etc etc. The two main categories of moral problem that the panel identified were:

  • the risk of the voyage itself;
  • the lack of choice for every generation after the one that gets on the ship in the first place.

The ‘risk’ issue seems reasonably strong. It’s very unlikely that anyone would have a really clear idea of what the planet was like that they were going to. If you’re using a generation ship at all, then you probably don’t have any other form of fast travel, so any information that exists about the planet will be scanty, very out of date, or most likely both. (See Kim Stanley Robinson’s Aurora, which is also great.) So it’s not at all a reliable bet that your descendants will truly be able to settle where they’re headed to, even if it looks good from here.

There are also the risks of the voyage itself, including but not limited to radiation issues, the possibility of running into something else, and the likelihood that the ship will genuinely be able to maintain a workable ecological system. We don’t have good on-Earth comparisons for small closed systems; what experiments have been conducted have been very short-term and not terribly promising. What about the social dynamics? What are the risks of, say, a totalitarian system arising? If the risks on Earth are very high, or humans on Earth are facing imminent disaster, then this might be an acceptable trade-off, but how high is ‘very high’ and how disastrous does a disaster have to be? Does it need to be Earth-wide? If your current home is, for example, sinking under rising waters, and you know that any alternative will mean becoming a refugee in poor circumstances — how much risk is ‘reasonable’ to accept then?

Which brings us on to the issue of ‘choice’. One could argue that a kid living in a refugee camp without enough food or warm clothes has, notionally, some future ‘choice’ or ‘opportunity’ to escape that. A child on a generation ship is stuck there.

But why is “can’t leave generation ship” morally different from “can’t leave Earth”? Which is of course a situation into which all children are currently born and which we do not consider morally problematic. And how realistic is the ‘choice’ that the average Earth-born child has? This was where I thought that the Worldcon panel fell down a bit. They threw the word “choice” around a lot but didn’t at all interrogate what realistic “choice” is available to which children in which situation on Earth. There are many kids born without very many realistic ‘choices’; children who are unlikely to go more than a few miles beyond where they were born, children whose projected lifespan is short, children whose lives are likely to be very difficult. How different is that, in reality, from a generation ship? In fact, if the generation ship does work, it might be a better life than on Earth: guaranteed food, shelter, and useful work (making the ship run).

The panel talked about limiting the choices of children born on the moon, because they might not be able to go back and live on Earth — but why is Earth necessarily better than the moon, or Mars, or the asteroid belt? Why isn’t it immoral of us to have children who are stuck down here in the gravity well?

More generally: we’re constantly making choices for our children, and through them for generations beyond; we’re constantly giving them some chances and removing other options, every decision we make. Is that immoral? It’s not avoidable, however much privilege you have, although most certainly more privilege generally means more options.

Would I get on a generation ship? Well. Not without a really good perusal of the specs. But I’m not convinced that it’s immoral to do so.

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Summer Festival Madness 2: the Comfy Retro-Folk Cardigan

maeve_the_red
♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 01:05 pm
We refer to Wickham Festival as our 'local' festival – although even our village has a festival these days - and we've been to pretty much Wickham festival one since it started just after the millennium. It's easy to access so we commute rather than camp, and as the combination of folk and retro acts with the occasional interesting oddity fits with the tastes of a number of friends, we have a full house – and garden, as we now have enough people staying that a couple sleep in my medieval tent, for the full authentic festival experience.

Thursday night would, in theory, have seen almost all of us going but what with one of our guests forgetting his ticket and having to drive home, and two others being late, in the end it was just myself and S in S's 4-wheel drive, which turned out to be wise as the field was a quagmire. Mind you, Wickham is the only festival I know that lays on tractors to tow out cars who get stuck in the mud. Much queueing ensued before we got in, but we still saw Martin Allcock's fine new band, Mancunia and 10cc, who always deliver a good show.

The full party ventured in the next day, although as usual a subset of us walked into Wickham village itself along the old Meon Valley railway track, bought chocolates from the excellent patisserie, and ate lunch in the garden of the wine bar near the river, with a dessert of early blackberries picked from their hedge. Much of the afternoon's music washed over me, though I woke up in time to see my friend L who we'd discovered was at the festival via the miracle of Facebook and who I'd not seen for years. The evening bought a fine sunset at the other (non-main) stage, plus a fine selection of bands: new to us - and much enjoyed - was the chilled psychedelic vibe of Maia followed by two festival favourites: cowpunk maestros Pronghorn and Traditional English Reggae courtesy of Edward II.

Saturday was heavy on the sea shanties, and I watched a few to collect the set of musical types, though was more enthused by local R 'n' B band Honeyshake, who delivered some shit-kicking blues on the other-other stage. Then, after a refreshing break in the Tiny Tea Tent (best cake on site) on the main stage we had The Selecter followed by The Dhol Foundation, both of which saw much dancing in the Morris Pit (folk festival version of a Mosh Pit). Having concluded there wasn't much else anyone wanted to watch we stayed for dinner and sunset, then went home early for much needed rest.

Sunday D and I took another walk into the village, to catch the Morris sides in their natural environment (i.e. dancing outside a pub) and buy even more chocolates. On our return we accidentally caught a truly awful act, possibly someone who'd failed the audition for reality TV talent show but had enough contacts/blackmail material to get a slot. On the other hand the community band put together over the weekend was surprisingly good. Another minor disappointment as Electric Swing Circus were a no-show. However, the utterly insane Tankus the Henge delivered the goods again with their hi-octane, half-naked, piano-based antics. A swift run to the other tent for the second half of Three Daft Monkeys' set then, carrying on the insane performers theme, John Otway, still crazy though sadly lacking a theremin these days. Over to the main stage for the Peatbog Faeries, another perennial favourite, initially enjoyed outside, swaying under the stars, until I ventured in and was sucked into the the trance-folk vortex of the Morris Pit.

weather, fashion and culinary notes

Again, the rain radar app was our friend. We didn't get wet, and though the site was at least as muddy as WOMAD, the liberal application of bales of straw to the mud worked wonders.

There was no Halloumi anywhere on site. I have no idea what that is about. Also no creperie, which was a disappointment to those of us in the party with a sweet tooth; we consoled ourselves with chocolates. The bar had a stunning range of beers and ciders, including the ever-popular Rum Cider.

No glitter beards and no men were spotted wearing what I now know are 'disco leggings', though the leggings themselves were for sale. Also for sale was a marvellous selection of hats, of which I bought one, and so did D, in his case because it will suit his Boomtown persona.

Having bought a job lot of a hundred mini glowstix, the party were festooned in glowing tat as soon as the sun went down, making it much easier to find each other in the dark.

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My mother believes in us

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♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 07:58 am
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Interesting Links for 20-08-2017

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♥Aug. 20th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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rally against white supremacism

redbird
♥Aug. 19th, 2017 // 07:03 pm
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 13: The Golden Circle

kevin_standlee
♥Aug. 19th, 2017 // 08:50 pm
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Today was our really big tourism day in Iceland: We booked a relatively comprehensive "Golden Circle" tour of some of the top scenic highlights of southwestern Iceland accessible in a single (long) day.

To the Geysir! )

But I'm getting ahead of myself. Shortly after 9 AM, our Extreme Iceland bus picked us up and our friendly driver headed out for a full long day of seeing the sights. This is probably just as well because today was Culture Day in Reykjavik and the city was very busy.

Geothermal Power Plant Tour )

After the power plant, we continued to our next stop, which involved a hike around a volcanic crater, followed by a preview of the larger waterfall we'd see after lunch.

Hiking the Crater )

Geysir was also our lunch stop, where Lisa and I got the lamb soup, which we like. (Some books complain that this is the main dish at too many places. We don't complain. It's filling and we've enjoyed every bowl of it that we've had so far.) From here it was on to the big waterfall.

Golden Falls )

After the falls, we made a short stop at the Efstidalur farm, where I indulged myself in one scoop of blueberry ice cream made from milk from the cows on the farm. From there, we continued for what turned out to be something of a research trip for the question raised by WSFS's action last week when we clarified that (in effect) Iceland is not part of North America for NASFiC purposes.

At the Rift Boundary )

Thingvellir was the final stop before we returned to Reykjavik. We were frankly a bit worn out by then, and were happy to get back to our hotel. With the city alive with Culture Day, we weren't inspired to go very far. We counted ourselves lucky to get a seat in Cafe Loki (just down the street from our hotel) and have another couple bowls of lamb soup before turning in for the evening.

This tour was excellent, but we're so tired that we're not at our best for this. That's the problem with putting our touring post-Worldcon; however, Lisa says, and she's right, that I'm hopelessly preoccupied during the days running up to Worldcon and I can't relax until the convention is over. Therefore, unless we schedule the trips this way, I'm impossible to deal with because I can't concentrate on what we're doing. Not concentrating when walking around steep cliffs and slippery rocks is not a good idea.

We have one more full day here in Iceland before we begin the trip home, which may prove to be a different adventure, and not necessarily a fun one.
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In chirpier news

flick
♥Aug. 19th, 2017 // 10:19 am
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The day after we got back from Helsinki, I was mucking out Bugsy's stable when I heard a lot of chirping and noticed that there were swallows flying around.

Having raised their first clutch, they've built a second nest. This one is in the rafters above the tack room (and, thankfully, above an open area of floor rather than anything that will take harm from having bird poo all over it!), which they're accessing by flying into Bugsy's stable and through the roof space.

I'm glad they're doing so much better this year!
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Interesting Links for 19-08-2017

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♥Aug. 19th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 12: Wandering Reykjavik

kevin_standlee
♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 11:10 pm
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Today was an unstructured day exploring Reykjavik. We had no idea what we would find.

Surprising Ourselves )

After our morning and early afternoon exploration, we got back on the bus. Joining us at that point were a German family heading back to the cruise ship we had seen earlier in the day. Lisa hit it off with them right away. We rode back to Hallgrímskirkja, bade the Germans bon voyage, and went back to the hotel for a break and a cup of tea for me and hot chocolate for Lisa in the hotel common room before making another walk downtown to explore more.

To the Center of Reykjavik )

Thanks to that huge lunch, Lisa and I were still not terribly hungry come 21:00, so we once again picked up some sandwich stuff and cold drinks (alas for no refrigerator in which to keep them; everything has to be eaten when purchased) for another "picnic dinner" in the hotel room.

Tomorrow is our big excursion: our "Golden Circle" tour, one of the must-not-miss parts of a trip to Iceland, or so everyone says. Fortunately we don't have to be up at the crack of dawn, especially given how early dawn is here at 66° North.
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Whoot!

james_davis_nicoll
♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 03:14 pm
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Bannon Out

james_davis_nicoll
♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 03:03 pm
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Chief strategist Steve Bannon's days in the White House are over, it has been confirmed.

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Summer Festival Madness 1: All the Music, All the Time.

maeve_the_red
♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 03:04 pm
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Earlier this year, D and I decided to make our main 'holiday' of the year three festivals in a row, over two weeks. Yes, we are mad. I'm pleased to say we survived this, and over the next few days/weeks I will be sharing my experiences of mud, music and mayhem.

If – as sometimes happens – we only get to one festival, by choice it would be WOMAD (short for World Of Music Arts and Dance). This is partly for the vibe, which is friendly, if a little worthy in places, but mainly for the music, which is always extraordinary and massively varied.

This year WOMAD's main arena area had a new layout, which we observed on first entering from the (considerable) heights of the (also new) big wheel. The stages form a fat crescent separated by stalls and eating/drinking establishments, each stage angled so its sound doesn't interfere with adjacent ones. About half of them are open air, half in large tents. On Friday we managed to work our way round the stages in a clockwise direction, kicking off the festival with a performance by the New York Theremin Society in a tent set up to have the best sound quality possible in a field, which I refer to as the Aural Sex or Sonic Attack tent (depending on on who's playing in it). We then caught another couple of acts, both good and very different (Brazilian jazz and Sicilian trancey folk) before approaching the main stage where the beat caught my feet and did not let go for the whole set of mambo-anarchists Orkesta Mendoza.

Back to a stage we'd already visited for more jazz, this time African influenced then into the Siam tent (always our favourite place) where we had a psychedelic experience courtesy of masked Swedish weirdoes Goat, then a surprisingly chilled Greek experience courtesy of Xoas (one member of whom played a set of pipes which appeared to have been made from a whole goat, aptly enough) and finally some chilled jazz from one of the members of Dave's favourite band, Snarky Puppy. (This used up my quotient of jazz acceptence for the weekend.)

Saturday we blew the cobwebs out with the Dhol Blasters. They were playing in the Arboretum; WOMAD has addition stages, art installations, activities and random musical instruments scattered through the manicured woodland outside the main arena area, something few festivals can boast of. From there to the Siam tent for one of my festival highlights. I first heard Hannah Peel a few weeks ago on Six Music, and she stopped me in my tracks. My responses to music tend to be based on rhythm – I'm all about the dance – but something about her ethereal synthetic sounds married with the surprisingly subtle wind instruments of Tubular Brass (who do what it says on the tin: they're a brass band who play Tubular Bells) speaks to something else deep inside me. Before the band played their signature track she played most of her upcoming album 'Journey to Cassiopeia' and, at the risk of sounding pretentious, the music pierced my soul and flooded it with cosmic light. I stood there with tears of rapture streaming down my face, my mind well and truly blow (and no, I was not under the influence of anything more mind-altering than a pint of real ale). The only problem with this transcendental experience was that it spoiled me for the next few acts – an African super-band and some tech trance in the Aural Sex tent that D blissed out to but I, having used up all my bliss, couldn't connect with, and so went to a dance workshop instead.

As evening – and rain – fell we left the main arena, passing an outing of wizards from the Unseen University, complete with utterly ridiculous beards and pointy hats. We headed for 'Drink the World' (as we call it), which is a wine bar opposite the 'Taste The World' stage, that being where artists talk about music and food and cook a favourite dish live on stage - another unique WOMAD thing I suspect. Over a bottle of Tasmanian fizz we discussed our evening plans: originally we'd been up for seeing Afro-Celt Sound system (who we've seen before) and Toots and the Maytals (who we hope to see at a later festival) but the rain was setting in, so instead we decamped to Molly's Bar.

Molly's is actually yet another stage (WOMAD has a lot of stages – great for choice but you always miss a lot!) but is undercover with its own bar, and from about 9pm it's one huge party. If you have been overdosing on worthiness and/or bliss, Molly's will bring you back down to earth and I kind of needed that. This Saturday night was enlivened by the unreconstructed blues rock outfit Johnny Cage and the Voodoo Groove – who had ::sigh:: semi-naked female dancers, though in fairness half the blokes in the band had removed their shirts by they end of the set – and a favourite local band who we've seen many times, Smerin's Anti-Social Club. I was in the mood for gin – and had some on me as it happens - but as Molly's only had crap tonic I braved the rain to visit the adjacent 'Lunched Out Lane' (named after the 'Lunched Out Lizards' cafe, where chai and dub is available 24 hours a day) and purchased a summer cooler smoothie, with added guarana for energy, then added my gin to that. We partied hard and stayed up late.

We didn't get up that early on Sunday. While Dave went in search of his usual WOMAD breakfast of kedgeree from the Goan Fish Curry stall I lounged around the tent and listened to Radio Womad to get an idea of what bands were coming up. We started with some science because there's even a tent for that in the Arboretum (so perhaps it should be WOMADS); we found out more about theremins, and though only the kids in the audience actually got to play them, Dave asked several questions, and now wants one of his own.

Thence to watch the Taiko drummers, where Dave managed to fall asleep, which was no mean feat considering how loud they are. We then drifted around in what had turned into a lovely day, until a shower had us running for the Siam tent where we caught the second half of a performance by the Whirling Dervishes of Damascus. Later, also there, we saw the highlight of the day, a band called '!!!' (pronounced chuk-chuk-chuk) who are actually from New York, and are a bit like Talking Heads with a lot of added profanity, and funk; at one point the lead singer lost his radio mic down his underpants and had to get a roadie to bring a replacement. During their gig we noticed that a change that had come over the penguin-on-a-stick (WOMAD, not being covered by TV or massively crowed, isn't a place for ostentatious flags, but the penguin is there every year, on his stick) – he had obviously enjoyed the dervishes as he now had a skirt made out of paper napkins and had had his stick adapted to allow him to whirl, or at least twirl.

As the evening was fine we returned to Drink the World, and did in fact drink their last bottle of Tasmanian fizz. As an added bonus, the Spooky Men's Chorale were doing a cookery demo on the 'Taste the World' stage next door. We've seen this Australian close irony group (that's close harmony singing, with irony; lots of irony) many times but to see them cook was … quite something. As the evening drew on we found ourselves back in Molly's, where we finished the festival with a brilliant set from the Ska Vengers (Indian ska with a social conscience – only at WOMAD!).

Not that the festival was finished with us … we awoke deep in the night to the sound of a rousing chorus of Bohemian Rhapsody, as sung by several hundred drunk people in nearby Molly's bar, just before the music stopped. Because this was WOMAD, they were all singing in tune. And because this was WOMAD various campers joined in from their tents, including us.

weather, fashion and culinary notes

We made great use of D's real-time rain radar app, and stayed dry through various sharp but brief showers until Saturday night, when the site developed avenues of Festival Mud (a variation on type 4, for those familiar with my Taxonomy of Mud from Plokta). It mainly dried out on Sunday.

Food news: Halloumi is the new falafel. Pretty much every stall did an 'add Halloumi' option, with one veggie-burger stall advising punters to 'Join the Hallouminati'. I even had Halloumi curry.

Fashion news: Sparkly is IN. I'm generally a fan of sparkly, though I can't help thinking that those men who went for glitter beards regretted their decisions later. Also, while I defend a man's right to wear what he wants, very few men – hell, very few people of any gender – can carry off sparkly fish-scale leggings.

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So, plans

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♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 12:59 pm
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Interesting Links for 18-08-2017

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♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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A Pocket Full of Murder (Uncommon Magic, book 1) by R. J. Anderson

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♥Aug. 18th, 2017 // 12:14 am
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A Pocket Full of Murder (Uncommon Magic, book 1) by R. J. Anderson
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Fig

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 05:48 pm
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Can maintain disdainful detachment even as another, unfamiliar, cat thoughtfully grooms Fig's hind paw.
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 11: On to Iceland

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 07:02 pm
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We had an 8:45 AM flight out of Helsinki this morning, so after much too little sleep we lurched out of bed, completed our packing, checked out of the hotel, and got a train to the airport. We are very grateful to the extremely frequent airport trains, because we missed the first one we planned to catch, but there was another one coming along in just a few minutes, so it did not matter.

We're in Saga class for this trip (hooray for Alaska miles), so we had access to the lounge and therefore didn't have to buy breakfast. OTOH, my unfamiliarity with the airport cost us €5 because we didn't realize where to go to cash in the one tax-rebate purchase we made, and by the time we realized that the refund place was as the other end of the terminal, it was too late because the flight to Reykjavik was already boarding.

The flight itself was routine and comfortable, with complementary noise-canceling headsets (I forgot to bring mine, which was annoying on the trip out) and another breakfast. To save some standing in like at KEF, I pre-bought the FlyBus airport-to-city transfer tickets. By the time we got to baggage claim, our bags were waiting for us, and we walked outside and found the FlyBus. We got the front two seats for the 50 km drive to Reykjavik. At the bus terminal, we had to get out and wait for a mini-bus to collect us and take us to the stop near our hotel.

Easy to Find Landmark )

If you cannot handle stairs, never stay at this hotel. You need to negotiate stairs simply to get into the front lobby from street level, and there are no lifts. Normally for us this wouldn't be a problem, but Lisa's knee has been troubling her during this trip. She can walk on flat ground okay, but stairs give her trouble. And we have a lot of luggage. (Fortunately, our room was only on the second floor (of four), so I only had to carry luggage up one flight of stairs.)

As we expected, we were vastly early, but the hotel staff were nice and let us store our (substantial) luggage behind the counter. Tea/coffee/cocoa are available at all hours in the lobby (and you can take it back to your room), so we sat and had some tea while we repacked our bags and made plans for today. After putting most of our stuff behind the hotel counter, we set off to explore and kill time until 2 PM when our room would be ready.

Tiny Room and High Prices )

This is something of a letdown after the ten nights in an Executive Floor room at the Holiday Inn Convention Centre in Helsinki. I do really wish that IHG had properties here. But we'll make the best of it.

We Have Been Warned )

We'd been warned about the high prices in Iceland, and high they are. We'll be here four nights and most of five days, and we'll need to keep costs down where we can. Tonight we decided to just buy some groceries and eat them in our hotel room. There's no refrigerator, more's the pity, but Lisa had a can of tinned fish left over from Germany, I got some salami, and we made sandwiches. They don't allow outside food in the downstairs breakfast area, and as I said, the rooms are tiny, but we made the best of it, watching a train video that Lisa had on her computer.

Tomorrow we hope to take things relatively easy and not overwhelm ourselves. Aren't vacations supposed to be restful?
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What I plan to do for my birthday, by Andrew Ducker Age 44 362/365

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 07:23 pm
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Monday is my birthday, and to celebrate Jane is going to show me around Paris for a long weekend. We're off tomorrow morning, and arriving back on my actual Birthday (Monday), which is _also_ the anniversary of the first time she hugged me (after she came to the airport to meet me off the plane back from my trip around the Southlands).

I arrived home to discover that she had made this wonder in the living room:


And I am looking forward to being allowed to open any of the things underneath it!

(Jim is being left with strict instructions that he is not allowed to eat any of the boxes. Or the tree. Or be sick on any of them. Or peek inside.)
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Young People Read Old SFF: By The Waters of Babylon by Stephen Vincent Benét

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 09:41 am
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By The Waters of Babylon by Stephen Vincent Benét
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Worldcon Recs

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 02:28 pm
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Mirrored from Juliet Kemp.

Here is a list of the recs I picked up from various panels I attended at Worldcon. (These are likely not complete, but they’re the ones that I wrote down.)


In Defense of the Unlikeable Heroine:


  • We Who Are About To – Joanna Russ


Non-Binary Representation In Fiction:


  • Transcendent: The Year’s Best Transgender Speculative Fiction – ed K M Szpara (anthology)

  • The Black Tides of Heaven / The Red Threads of Fortune – JY Yang (forthcoming in Sept)

  • Provenance – Ann Leckie (forthcoming, but read some on her website)

  • Jacob’s Ladder – Elizabeth Bear

  • River of Teeth – Sarah Gailey

  • Pantomime – Laura Lam

  • Killing Gravity – Corey J White

  • Interactive fiction Craft phone games (Choice of Deathless/City’s Thirst) – Max Gladstone (you can play an nb character)

  • “Masculinity is an Anxiety Disorder” (essay) – David J Schwartz

  • Rose Lemberg

  • Foz Meadows

  • A Merc Rustad


Beyond the Dystopia


(This one should be complete as I moderated the panel and made a point of writing them down to tweet afterwards.)


  • Two Faces of Tomorrow – James P Hogan

  • Culture series – Iain M Banks

  • Dragonlance

  • Too Like the Lightning and Seven Surrenders – Ada Palmer

  • The Postman – David Brin

  • A Long Way to a Small Angry Planet and A Closed And Common Orbit – Becky Chambers

  • Hospital Station – James White

  • Malhutan Chronicles – Tom D Wright (panelist)

  • Orbital Cloud – Taiyo Fuji (panelist)

  • The Goblin Emperor – Katherine Addison


Older Women in Genre Fiction:


  • All Fun and Games Until Somebody Loses An Eye – Christopher Brookmyre

  • Blood Songs series – Anthony Ryan

  • Remnant Population – Elizabeth Moon

  • Barbara Hambly


Also, Catherine Lundoff keeps a bibliography of books with older women protagonists.


Colonialism and the Space Opera:


  • Praxis – John Williams


Moving Beyond Orientalism in SFF:


  • Black Wolves – Kate Elliot

  • Vixen and The Waves – Hoa Pham

  • Isabelle Yap

  • Ken Liu

  • Stephanie Lai

  • Zen Cho


(Plus one from Nine Worlds in which the MC has Borderline Personality Disorder: Borderline – Mishell Baker)

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Interesting Links for 17-08-2017

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♥Aug. 17th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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tendonitis update: healing

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 10:13 pm
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The Fifth Season headed for the small screen

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 08:31 pm
N.K. Jemisin’s Hugo Award-winning sci-fi fantasy novel The Fifth Season is getting the drama series treatment at TNT.
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move planning progress

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 07:24 pm
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Culprit identified....

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 09:11 pm
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While weeding the back garden (this time with gloves on), I found another mystery plant, this time with white flowers, and Mike identified it as self-seeded nicotiana, the sap of which the internet confirms can cause skin irritation.

Fortunately, my diagnosis of the blisters as big but minor was correct: they've come off, and the skin underneath is undamaged. I'll have to remember that in future!
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 10: A-Viking We Will Go

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 09:02 pm
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After returning to the hotel with our purchases, Lisa and I stopped to have one of the sodas we bought and rest our feet. I checked messages and saw on Facebook that Kevin Roche and Andy Trembley were back in their hotel room as of only an hour earlier. I called Kevin and asked if they would like to meet for lunch, and they agreed, so we collected our things and headed back downtown.

A second reason for going back to the hotel was that I had a poster tube with the small vinyl WSFS banner (made by Sasquan) that hangs from the front of the Business Meeting table with me, and I wanted to mail it home rather than somehow try to fit it into my already overloaded luggage. The post office is downtown between the train station and the Sokos hotel where Kevin and Andy were staying, so this worked out well. The trains are running again, and there were no queues at the post office, so we managed to connect with K&A roughly on time to head off on a Viking Expedition.

We're Gonna Starve! )

After lunch, we bade K&A goodbye because we were aiming for one more hobby shop for Lisa to look for trains. It was a longer walk than I thought it would be, partially because I rather unnecessarily went up and down hills getting there. We didn't find anything Lisa wanted to get, but we found yet another person who described herself as a "con-goer" who had known about Worldcon but had not gone. We told her that Worldcon would be in Dublin in two years and she sounded interested.

Given our location, we took the opportunity to ride the Helsinki Metro. Because Cheryl's friend Otto gave us a lift from the ferry terminal when we arrived and our other trips didn't take us along the axis of the Metro, we'd never had a chance to sample it. This was more of a joy-ride, but when you've bought a multi-day unlimited transit pass, you have the ability to hop on and off systems like this.

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An afterthought from this morning: We had an interesting piece of equipment follow us down the tram tracks when we first set out for our first round of tourism and shopping.

A Tidy System is a Safe System )

After a brief recovery time in the hotel (and a final short grocery stop for a snack for tonight and for tomorrow morning), Lisa remembered something she had seen in Stockmann's department store downtown, so we made one final round trip downtown. I think we got good value from our transit pass.

Returning from the last trip, we threaded our way through the latest batch of tourists trying to figure out the elevators, Lisa took a bath, I composed journal entries, and we continued our packing. The alarm for tomorrow is set for 4:15 because we need to take an early train to get out to the airport for the flight to Iceland tomorrow.

We have had a wonderful time here in Helsinki. I would love to get a chance to come back here someday. Everyone was so good to us, and we enjoyed ourselves immensely.
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 10: Up and Down and Around and Round

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 08:42 pm
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Today was our final full day in Helsinki. We had no big tourist attractions left to visit. Lisa wanted to do some shopping, and she also was looking for us to track down a transportation oddity that she wanted to see.

Riding the Paternoster )

After our Adventure in Elevators, we had a "target of opportunity," in the form of a train hobby shop just a couple of doors down from the first stop. Lisa had a look through the store but did not find anything that caught her fancy.

Next was a search for an electronics store to which she had been referred in search of a particular kind of power outlet that the hardware store didn't know about. That turned out to be fruitless as well, but it was interesting to walk around and see new places.

As we were riding the #7 toward that electronics store, Lisa spotted a small appliance store and we rode back up the line to continue her search for an electric kettle not Made in China. This time, we succeeded!

Fine Czech Manufacture )

There are still a handful of Worldcon attendees staying in the Holiday Inn, and we saw a few of them in the lobby when we headed out this morning. However, now the hotel is mostly full of Chinese tour groups.

Elevator Clog )

We had to go back to the hotel to put away Lisa's newly-acquired kettle, which actually does fit in her luggage. (She says she can make it fit by putting some of her clothing inside the kettle, so the total additional cube doesn't increase that much.) That led to our final meal excursion of the trip, but that's another story.
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Goth by Otsuichi

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 09:55 am
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Goth by Otsuichi
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Interesting Links for 16-08-2017

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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Hopefully not a controversial statement, but:

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♥Aug. 16th, 2017 // 11:47 am
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 9: Visiting Suomenlinna

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 11:42 pm
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With the trains (but not trams and other local transit) shut down on Tuesday, we were limited to Helsinki. However, that's not really that big a limit, and we had made our plans today to visit Suomenlinna, the former fortified island in Helsinki harbor that is now a UNESCO world heritage site.

Expecting to be walking a lot today, we sprung for the hotel breakfast buffet (not included in my points-based hotel nights). I think this was the right call, but as there were still Worldcon fans in the hotel, chatting and socializing slowed down our departure. (Also, I had slept in for a couple of hours this morning.)

A Day on the Island )

If you're interested in the full set of my photos from today's island-hop, I created a Suomenlinna album on my Flickr site.

Coming off the ferry, I was seduced into buying an a fruit-filled crepe from one of the vendors in the Market Square. I told myself that I'd already walked 12 km today and had earned this one; besides, it was the fruit-filled version and I didn't add the ice cream. I classed this purchase in the same way as my buying an elephant-ear pastry when in Seaside, Oregon.

Lisa and I walked back toward downtown through the Promenade area, eventually finding ourselves in Stockmans Department Store, where Lisa did a bunch of shopping but did not find anything she wanted to buy. Among other things, she was looking for an electric kettle that was not Made In China, even if it meant wiring a 220V European plug into our kitchen. Alas, this quest was unsuccessful.

Apparently while the train drivers strike ended at 1800 today, regular rail service will not resume until tomorrow, so we hopped on the #9 tram and started heading "home" to where we've spent the last eight nights. There we had an important but mundane errand: laundry. We dug out everything, packed it into the oversize zipper-locking plastic bag I brought partially for this purpose, and got back on the #9 to go to the S-Market and the 24 Pesula coin-laundry. We used the larger €18 washer to do everything in one load. An hour or so later, we had clean, dry laundry and a small number of additional groceries, and we set off back to the hotel.

At the hotel, we started the initial round of re-packing, putting away as we could the stuff that we will not need until we get home or at least until Iceland, and confirming to our own satisfaction that we aren't going to exceed our luggage capacity. If we bought too much, we have the option of buying another piece of luggage, which we can do because our homeward luggage allowance is more than our outbound, thanks to using points to fly in IcelandAir Saga class. Fingers are crossed, however, that we can make it all fit for the trip back.

We have one more full day in Helsinki, but we need to not stay out so late, because the flight out on Thursday is much too early, requiring an early departure from the hotel to get to the airport sufficiently early.

One final note. Lisa was wearing a Worldcon 75 t-shirt while we were riding the tram back to the hotel. A woman sitting next to us with her daughter in a pushchair noticed the shirt and told us she had been to Worldcon and that it was her first-ever science fiction convention. She had been there with both her children, and the older one participated in Children's Programming. All of them enjoyed the convention immensely, and they hope to be able to come to Dublin in 2019. After all of the negative things I've heard from some people, I'm very happy to hear good experiences of people like this. We all were first-time attendees once, and I started my adventures in fandom at the largest Worldcon (by attendance) ever held, so I hope that many of the people who started with the largest Worldcon ever held in mainland Europe also have the positive feelings toward Worldcon that I have.
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Woe is me

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 05:14 pm
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Just noticed the book I was going to read tonight won't be out until November, so I shouldn't review it any time soon.
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Marrow mountain...

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 08:59 pm
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Sigh. And the early tomatoes have blight (although the later ones, farther from the polytunnel door, seem clear so far).

Home now, all well (other than Mike coming down with a cold). Will catch up on email over the next day or so....

Slightly worryingly, just after coming in from picking veg I noticed a couple of big-but-minor blisters on my fingers. I did pull a couple of weeds (without gloves) while I was out there, but I'm now wondering which of them were noxious.... There was something unfamiliar with purple flowers. Hmm.
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Tired.

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 12:32 pm
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Band camp was fun. Lotsa work, and lotsa sight reading, which is *not* my forte at all. OTOH, in theory the more you do it the better you get, but it's a long slog to get decent at it.

The sax section did two pieces at the participant chamber recital, and I got picked to be in the quartet (rather than the septet). The quartet (also here) we did (we discovered *after* we selected it) is the first saxophone quartet ever published. It was actually published before Adolph Sax patented the instrument! The composer was a friend of his, and told Msr Sax that he should develop a family of his new instrument and voice them Soprano-Alto-Tenor-Baritone -- "I'll write music for them!" -- so Msr Sax did and Msr Singelée did. And yes, we learned it in four days; presenting it on Day 4. Whee. :) (OK, we did the second part a bit slower than is usually done, but still....)

It was sticky (but not horribly hot) at camp this year, so that was good. It rained hard a couple of nights, but we didn't get more than a light drizzle when we actually were outside. The uniform shirts were horrible (cheap poly polo shirts), but we only have to wear them once or twice.

And now I'm back, and catching up on chores and laundry. And coming down with a cold, I think. And skipping the funeral that's today. I got accused of trying to shirk my duties as a Bereavement Committee member by "only working funerals when it's convenient", and she tried to tell me that being out of town for a week was the same as her working full time. Um; no. I don't particularly *want* to be on the committee, but it's a thing that needs to be done and I can do it. Maybe now I won't have to. One can hope (I keep telling them that I'd really like it if they could find someone else to do it, but they haven't yet).
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The Stone Sky (The Broken Earth, book 3) N. K. Jemisin

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 10:16 am
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The Stone Sky (The Broken Earth, book 3) N. K. Jemisin
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Interesting Links for 15-08-2017

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♥Aug. 15th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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raven
♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 10:29 pm
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I am tired and wound up about my book, which seems to be my default state of being at present. (The book is now necessarily modified, "the stupid book", "the thrice-damned book", "the bloody book", "the book that I HATE and is DREADFUL and the BANE OF MY LIFE" etc.) Part of it is that my confidence as a writer has been significantly dented as everything else in my life has been, recently: I also don't think much of self as lawyer, friend, etc., and I'm working on it. (I am doing much, much better than I was. I'm very grateful. But piecing one's life back together turns out to take time.)

I'm also not doing well with reasonable self-care related to the book, which I should, because finishing the version that went on agent submission - in a several-month, every-spare-minute sprint - was what precipitated my last visit to the bottom of the well. (Perfectly nice as wells go, but not one to revisit.) But I keep wanting to just finish it and get it over and winding myself up in the process. And of course I'm aware that I have read it approx fourteen thousand times over the last two and a half years and naturally I'm seeing nothing but flaws? And perhaps other people might not think it is the worst thing ever committed to paper? In my more rational moments I think this. And yet, oh my god, I hate this book. I want to bundle it up and throw it into aforesaid well and write SOMETHING ELSE. It never gets less ridiculous. I spent four days trying to think of a 1940s-appropriate preferably-funny insult? And it had to be two syllables because otherwise the sentence wouldn't scan? And then [personal profile] tau_sigma suggested "strumpet", because she's a perfect human? And all of that hungama was about literally one word? etc.

Etc. Two months ago I was about as a far from a clean, well-lighted place as I could be. And now I'm not, but nothing terrible will happen if I don't finish this book soon. (Or ever? Like, it would be sub-optimal after two and half years, but I'm not writing Hamlet here.) And nothing terrible will happen if it's not as good as I wanted it to be. And nothing terrible will happen if I do it in ten-minute, 100-word chunks. This is quite a rubbish pep talk but there you are, it's what I've got, and it's better than the alternative.

In other news: I'm enjoying being back out in the world. I'm enjoying seeing friends and going for walks and learning to love this city again. I miss my legal practice and my Gaelic. I'm looking forward to returning to both in the autumn; I'm ready for the new terms and the start of the year.
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Worldcon 2017 Trip Day 8: To the Trains

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♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 08:06 pm
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Here I restart the numbering of the days in our Worldcon trip, not including the five days of Worldcon itself.

Lisa and I intended to go to the Finland Railway Museum originally on Tuesday so that we could sleep in today; however, the VR (Finnish Railways) drivers union had other ideas. They called a strike to start at 18:00 Monday through 18:00 Tuesday. Therefore, if we were to go up to Hyvinkää where the museum was located, we needed to do it Monday (and get back before 18:00) or Wednesday, the day before we leave Helsinki. We decided to do it Monday. However, that meant we were running on maybe four hours of sleep when we made our way over to Pasila this morning.

To the Trains! )

We continued on to the downtown shopping center and found what to us seemed like a bargain, in an all-you-can-eat sushi/Chinese buffet for €10.50. We ate our fill. I wish this place had been near Messukeskus!

Escaping the Strike )

We boarded our Helsinki-bound train and found a pair of facing seats. Fortunately, we were going counter-commute, and people had apparently also been making alternative plans because of the strike. Initially, we thought we might ride all the way into Helsinki and then after getting dinner ride back to the hotel on a tram (the trams/buses are unaffected by the strike), but both Lisa and I kept falling asleep on the train, and Lisa said we should just go back to the hotel and go to bed.

The Elevator of Doom )

Lisa fell into bed, and I admit I almost did so as well, but there were some groceries I wanted, so I took my tote bag and went back down to the lobby. Although most of the fans have moved out, the place is filling up again with tourist groups and tennis players (an ITF tournament is in town this week). I ran across some of us late stayers (including Dave Lally) in the lobby, and ended up sitting down and shooting the breeze for a lot longer than I intended before I walked down to Lidl for more supplies. By the same I got back from the store, I had some second wind and thus decided I'd better get these photos online, including the Finland Railway Museum album.

Tomorrow we're in Helsinki. We're considering our plans, which probably include going to Suomenlinna, which is accessible on local transit because the ferry is included in transit passes. However, I'm going to see about not setting an alarm tomorrow morning. We need a recovery day.
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Books Received, August 5 - August 11

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♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 09:24 am
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Books Received, August 5 - August 11
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The Danger Quotient by Annabel Johnson & Edgar Johnson

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♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 09:16 am
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The Danger Quotient by Annabel Johnson & Edgar Johnson
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Interesting Links for 14-08-2017

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♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 12:00 pm
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Business Meeting Note: I Made a Mistake

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♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 08:41 am
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At the third and final Main Business Meeting on the last day of Worldcon 75, we considered (and ratified/adopted) six constitutional amendments, and for the most part we breezed right through them. In the process of doing so, I repeatedly allowed the introduction of motions to "suspend the rules, end all debate, and adopt the motion immediately" as ordinary motions to Suspend The Rules, requiring a two-thirds vote. This was wrong.

WSFS Standing Rule 5.5 reads, in part: "The motion for the Previous Question (also known as the motion to 'close debate,' 'call the question,' and 'vote now') shall not be in order when... either or both sides of the debate have yet to speak to a question." Previous Question requires a 2/3 vote ordinarily anyway, which is the same vote as Suspend the Rules. Therefore, this standing rule must be protecting a minority smaller than one-third. I think that this rule must be protecting a minority as small as a single individual present at the meeting (not absentees), because it says you can't end the debate unless at least one speaker from each side of the question has had the opportunity to speak. (It doesn't require that a speech actually happen, just that both sides get an opportunity to do so.)

In parliamentary law, there is a hierarchy of rights in the rules. For example, the majority has rights, which surprises at least one person I spoke to this past weekend, who looked at me with a confused, blank expression on his face when I told him that super-majorities of two-thirds generally have the right to not have their time wasted. Furthermore, some rules can't be suspended at all: a rule that protects absent members can't be suspended.

A rule protecting a minority of a given size cannot be suspended except by a larger majority. What that means is this:
A rule that protects the right of an individual member can only be suspended by unanimous consent.

This doesn't mean that there is an unlimited right to debate. If at least one other person has spoken to your side of the question (and the other side has had an opportunity to speak, regardless of whether they actually do so), the meeting can then vote (2/3) to shut off debate, and your right as an individual to speak can be overridden. But if your side hasn't spoken at all, you as an individual member have the right to stop the entire rest of the room from shutting down your side's debate until you get a shot at it.

Thus, the motion as it was first made by John Pomeranz was correct, as it was to "suspend the rules and adopt by acclamation," which is to say unanimous consent. But in such a case, if even one member objected, the motion should have failed, and both sides of the question should have been given the opportunity to speak to the matter if they choose to do so. After that, the motion for the Previous Question (end debate, 2/3 required) would have been in order.

Please be mindful that I'm not saying we should have "sham debate" where people take the floor to say one or two words to just barely meet a technical requirement for debate. That's foolish. But it was wrong of me to allow a motion that protected individuals (a minority of one) to be passed on anything less than a unanimous vote.

Now, my mistake doesn't invalidate the actions of the meeting. Someone, anyone could have made a Point of Order about this. Nobody did, and thus the result stands. But I don't want to make that mistake again, and I want others to learn from my mistake so that it doesn't get repeated.
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A note for next year

james_davis_nicoll
♥Aug. 13th, 2017 // 10:16 pm
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As near as I can tell from these rules James Nicoll Reviews does not qualify as a fanzine (it provides too much of my income). It might be a semi-prozine (bad for me, because my numbers would not get me onto the long list) or Related (where I also don't think I would made it onto the long list).
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Worldcon 75 Day 5: A Last and Pleasant Party

kevin_standlee
♥Aug. 14th, 2017 // 01:40 am
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After returning from dinner, we found our way to the Rauhanasema for the Worldcon Chairs ("Old Pharts") Party. This building, located a few hundred meters south of the convention centre, was the site of several of the parties during the convention, but I'd never actually gotten down here before. I'm very glad that this was the site of the party.

How Nice of Them! )

Before Lisa and I left for the night, we got a look at the gifts that this year's Hugo losers got, courtesy of Worldcon 76.

Chocolate Can Get You Through Times of No Hugos Better than.... )

Just before midnight, Lisa and I said our goodbyes. Lisa said she had drank most of the milk in the mini-fridge, but the Lidl closes at 21:00. We considered taking the #9 tram down to the S-Market, but worried about getting there before it closed. Then we remembered that the one by Central Station is open 24 hours, and figured we should be able to use our convention transit passes one last time back and forth downtown. Then when we got into Pasila station, we saw that the little kiosk there was still open and that they had milk, so we just picked up a liter and saved ourselves a trip downtown and worry over whether our train passes would be good on the trains running after midnight.
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